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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2025 1:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> О теории прогрессивного использования - альтернативы
капитализму</DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px">Теория
прогрессивного использования, или</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-WEIGHT: bolder"
class=gmail-Yjhzub>PROUT</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px">(Progressive
Utilization Theory), — это</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Google Sans',Roboto,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"> </SPAN>социоэкономическая
и политическая философия индийского мыслителя Прабхат Ранджан Саркара (P.R.
Sarkar), предложенная в 1959 году как альтернатива капитализму и коммунизму,
направленная на всестороннее социальное развитие, духовный рост и справедливое
распределение ресурсов на основе неогуманизма, заботы обо всех живых существах и
создания самодостаточных локальных экономик<SPAN
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class=gmail_default>"</SPAN>Воистину, именно сильным мира сего – мужчинам и
женщинам, обладающим редкими способностями, – надлежит позаботиться о том, чтобы
даже мало понимающие и неумеющие должным образом развивались на великом пути
всестороннего прогресса. Ключ к симфонии Праута, главный цвет её палитры
универсальной мысли, общая нить её человеческого гобелена – это прогресс слабых
и несчастных, превращающийся в триумф и истинную силу всех. Здесь Праут
провозглашает, что благо каждого человека заключается в развитом обществе, и
наоборот: благо сообщества заключается в надлежащем развитии каждого из его
членов</SPAN></P>
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RGMO-xJCWkGlxDzLVM4NgLbJiQhVk1kdiqhhr67MmX4/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RGMO-xJCWkGlxDzLVM4NgLbJiQhVk1kdiqhhr67MmX4/edit?usp=sharing</A></P>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 18pt" dir=ltr>Best
regards,</P></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face="garamond, times new roman, serif">Bulat K.
YESSEKIN</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>сб, 6 дек. 2025 г. в 15:39, Tarcisio Bonotto
<<A
href="mailto:tarcisio.bonotto@gmail.com">tarcisio.bonotto@gmail.com</A>>:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr>Dear Ian,</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr>it is good to propose new ideas in the economics.</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr><FONT size=4>I share my experience with the PROUT
(Progressive Utilization Theory) economic theory, well known in 42 countries
and widespread in 180.<BR>The author is Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar and it is a
collection of his discourses over 30 years. A world-renowned economist and
professor at Texas Methodist University, Ravi Batra, whose books were New York
Times bestsellers for a year some time ago, is also a leading
figure.<BR><BR>PROUT covers all collective and individual economic issues and
will undoubtedly replace current capitalism. It is based on the principle of
"ensuring the basic necessities (food, clothing, housing, medical care,
education) for all through employment or an income for those unable to
work."<BR>This is the same principle as the 1948 Universal Declaration of
Human Values. But while this is only a declaration, PROUT also proposes how
these principles can be implemented.<BR>The PROUT economic system is a
decentralized system and, politically, an ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY, not a POLITICAL
DEMOCRACY.<BR>Here are some ideas: <B><A href="https://proutglobe.org/"
target=_blank>https://proutglobe.org/</A></B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr>Italian: <A href="https://irprout.it"
target=_blank>https://irprout.it</A></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr>Tarcisio Bonotto - proutist</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_attr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 3:12 PM Ian Schindler
<<A href="mailto:ian.schindler@gmail.com"
target=_blank>ian.schindler@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear all,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Reading Living Earth threads and other things provoked the following
musings I would like to throw out:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The economists I find myself the closest to are the
physiocrats of the 18th century who said that land (harnessing solar energy)
was the source of wealth. <BR><BR>The first course in economics should
be on money creation and how money creation affects markets. If money is
created from nothing and is used to buy item X, of course this tends to
raise the price of item X. Nomi Prins who wrote "Collusion: How Central
Bankers Rigged the World"<BR>(<A
href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781568585628"
target=_blank>https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781568585628</A>) at one
time was selling software that detected what financial asset the Fed was
buying so you could buy the same financial asset. If the Fed is bidding up
an asset with money created from nothing how can the price decrease? The
software was able to do this because the Fed always bought assets the same
day of the week at the same time. I read all kinds of nonsense like
"Industry Y exists because it is profitable". A minimum qualification should
be "with our current monetary system it is profitable". This is however not
always correct. I watched in amazement the 260 bankruptcies the fraccing
industry racked up between when<BR>oil prices fell in 2015 and 2021. Each
bankruptcy caused more money to be created to drill and frac more oil wells.
A seasoned economist with a good reputation I talked to had no idea how
bankruptcy laws worked in the U.S. It seems to me that when money is created
from nothing to produce a good, this naturally lowers the price of the
good.<BR><BR>I see lots of economic signals which I attribute to peak oil.
People think that the main signal for peak oil is price. Elementary
computations show<BR>that the signal is not price, but cost share, and in
particular median cost<BR>share is more important than average cost share.
Sectors of the economy the derivatives of whose cost shares are negative
with respect to growth create wealth, sectors whose derivatives are positive
with respect to growth capture the wealth thus created (see<BR>
<DIV><A href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s41247-020-00081-4"
target=_blank>https://doi.org/10.1007/s41247-020-00081-4</A>). Note that
this assertion is contrary to mainstream neoclassical economic
theory. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have been saying that people overestimate the price of oil in
the event of a peak in production since
2008.</DIV><BR>Definitions:<BR>1. The basic economic problem is to make
enough money to live the way you want.<BR>2. The dual of the basic economic
problem is to live the way you want with as little money as
possible.<BR><BR>I call investments aiming to solve the first problem
aggressive. I call investments aimed at solving the second
problem defensive.<BR><BR>Examples of aggressive investments are investments
which increase the<BR>production of some good or energy. Examples of
defensive investments are weatherproofing buildings, purchasing a more fuel
efficient means of<BR>transportation, harvesting rain water, etc. My main
signal for peak oil is<BR>that defensive investments start outperforming
aggressive investments.<BR><BR>There is a fundamental difference between the
two kinds of investment:<BR>companies making aggressive investments tend not
to pay back debt. They roll it over into more aggressive investments. Debt
incurred for defensive investments actually gets paid back decreasing the
money supply. So we have an interesting interplay: the cost of producing
resources is increasing producing inflationary pressure spawning defensive
investments which are deflationary. While all this is going on the Turchin
described wealth pump causes the bulk of money created to go to a small
class of elites. We are living a Wizard of Oz Toto moment in which Toto
pulls back the curtain to reveal that the most heinous crimes: murder, war,
genocide, child abuse, ecocide, etc. are among the privileges of this elite
class.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts anyone? Am I far off the mark?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ian</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><B>Tarcisio Bonotto</B></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="tahoma, sans-serif">Presidente IRP-Verona</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>Il giorno sab 6 dic 2025 alle ore 02:56 Ian
Schindler <<A href="mailto:ian.schindler@gmail.com"
target=_blank>ian.schindler@gmail.com</A>> ha scritto:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Thank you Johns for your instructive comments. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I agree wholeheartedly with John's modification of my
definitions. Well said.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>With respect to peak oil, I have followed the debate closely since 2005
(I am a member of ASPO France). Initially I anticipated earlier global
peaks. In 2016, I realized that the models used to predict earlier
peaks were quite approximate so I adopted a wait and see attitude. In
fact the latest data from the Energy Information Administration beats the
November 2018 local monthly peak by a small margin which means 2025 will
exceed the 2018 - 2019 yearly local peak. According to Jean Laherrère,
the accuracy of the data is only to about 5%. What this means is that
we are essentially on plateau since 2018 with a large dip occurring in
2020-21 because of Covid 19. There are peaks that have passed.
The really cheap oil peaked in the 1970s so oil companies went offshore and
into Alaska. The moderately expensive oil (some people say
conventional) was on a bumpy plateau from 2008 to 2018 and now appears to
have peaked. So the new global peak is due to expensive oil in the $40
to $50 a barrel to extract range. Net energy from oil has probably
peaked.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I also agree with John that we will have to cooperate in the 21st
century if we are to survive. I encourage cooperation not based on
dollars, euros, or any national currency.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ian</DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>Le mer. 3 déc. 2025 à 13:55, John
Day <<A href="mailto:daysabroad@gmail.com"
target=_blank>daysabroad@gmail.com</A>> a écrit :<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">Thank You, Ian.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">I have read that with interest, and think I
have digested it. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">The problem I see is that it assumes
financial economic continuum, which is a very complicated thing and rests
upon widespread trust, agreement, functioning internet and electrical
grid.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">These things fail during war, as you
know.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">I would refrase your basic economic problem:
"The basic economic problem is to live."</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">Your offensive investment vs defensive
investment dichotomy can go further. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">Truly defensive investment invests in
continuing to live directly, so I would go further than insulation, siding
and so on, to location, such as good soil for vegetable gardening and
weather that does not usually kill people without gas and eectricity
access.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">We survive as groups. That makes it harder.
I rule out living in a D.U.M.B. (deep underground military base) on
principle (though I am also not invited) and a bunker for that reason,
though a specialized shelter out in the public space, like a visible and
large vegetable garden may be seen as example-setting.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">Yours-in-service,</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: small">Bicyclist-gardener-John</DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 3:12 PM Ian Schindler
<<A href="mailto:ian.schindler@gmail.com"
target=_blank>ian.schindler@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV>Dear all,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Reading Living Earth threads and other things provoked the
following musings I would like to throw out:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The economists I find myself the closest to are the
physiocrats of the 18th century who said that land (harnessing solar
energy) was the source of wealth. <BR><BR>The first course in
economics should be on money creation and how money creation affects
markets. If money is created from nothing and is used to buy item X, of
course this tends to raise the price of item X. Nomi Prins who wrote
"Collusion: How Central Bankers Rigged the World"<BR>(<A
href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781568585628"
target=_blank>https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781568585628</A>) at one
time was selling software that detected what financial asset the Fed was
buying so you could buy the same financial asset. If the Fed is bidding
up an asset with money created from nothing how can the price decrease?
The software was able to do this because the Fed always bought assets
the same day of the week at the same time. I read all kinds of nonsense
like "Industry Y exists because it is profitable". A minimum
qualification should be "with our current monetary system it is
profitable". This is however not always correct. I watched in amazement
the 260 bankruptcies the fraccing industry racked up between when<BR>oil
prices fell in 2015 and 2021. Each bankruptcy caused more money to be
created to drill and frac more oil wells. A seasoned economist with a
good reputation I talked to had no idea how bankruptcy laws worked in
the U.S. It seems to me that when money is created from nothing to
produce a good, this naturally lowers the price of the good.<BR><BR>I
see lots of economic signals which I attribute to peak oil. People
think<BR>that the main signal for peak oil is price. Elementary
computations show<BR>that the signal is not price, but cost share, and
in particular median cost<BR>share is more important than average cost
share. Sectors of the economy the derivatives of whose cost shares are
negative with respect to growth create wealth, sectors whose derivatives
are positive with respect to growth capture the wealth thus created
(see<BR>
<DIV><A href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s41247-020-00081-4"
target=_blank>https://doi.org/10.1007/s41247-020-00081-4</A>). Note that
this assertion is contrary to mainstream neoclassical economic
theory. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have been saying that people overestimate the price of oil
in the event of a peak in production since
2008.</DIV><BR>Definitions:<BR>1. The basic economic problem is to make
enough money to live the way you want.<BR>2. The dual of the basic
economic problem is to live the way you want with as little money
as possible.<BR><BR>I call investments aiming to solve the first problem
aggressive. I call<BR>investments aimed at solving the second
problem defensive.<BR><BR>Examples of aggressive investments are
investments which increase the<BR>production of some good or energy.
Examples of defensive investments are weatherproofing buildings,
purchasing a more fuel efficient means of<BR>transportation, harvesting
rain water, etc. My main signal for peak oil is<BR>that defensive
investments start outperforming aggressive investments.<BR><BR>There is
a fundamental difference between the two kinds of
investment:<BR>companies making aggressive investments tend not to pay
back debt. They roll it over into more aggressive investments. Debt
incurred for defensive investments actually gets paid back decreasing
the money supply. So we have an interesting interplay: the cost of
producing resources is increasing producing inflationary pressure
spawning defensive investments which are deflationary. While all this is
going on the Turchin described wealth pump causes the bulk of money
created to go to a small class of elites. We are living a Wizard of Oz
Toto moment in which Toto pulls back the curtain to reveal that the most
heinous crimes: murder, war, genocide, child abuse, ecocide, etc. are
among the privileges of this elite class.<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts anyone? Am I far off the mark?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ian</DIV></DIV>
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